Google Alert – homeless “los angeles”

Do you ever read the comment sections for the Trolls?
These are the comments from an article I linked to a few days ago http://la.curbed.com/archives/2015/05/wildly_unaffordable_los_angeles_has_a_lot_more_homeless_people_than_it_used_to.php

here:

Thanks a lot Airbnb!
#technologyruinedmylife

#2. 05/11/15 04:55 PMReply to this.

Mikeday609

To link Airbnb units to homelessness is just silly, those units would be expensive anyway for homeless people. Other beach Cities don’t have this issue or better manage it like SM, Manhattan Beach, if Venice was smart they would split from the City Of LA. Venice could be an amazing place, things won’t get better till it’s an independent city.

#3. 05/11/15 04:59 PMReply to this.

Spamfish35

Society needs a paradigm shift. Upend your traditional thinking of what is considered a "home". Go to Costco. Buy a tent. Ta-Da! Instant home. No rent needed.

I Love LA!

#4. 05/11/15 05:03 PMReply to this.

Robert Fiore649

Can we measure how many of the homeless previously had homes in Los Angeles?

#5. 05/11/15 05:16 PMReply to this.

effron1113

Shorter Curbed: Airbnb = bad, Waze = good.
If you can’t read between the lines then your disdain levels are too low, consult your doctor.

#6. 05/11/15 05:39 PMReply to this.

LA20004

We have a homeless problem because we have a culture problem: we capitalists feel compelled to stigmatize and criminalize homelessness and poverty. We crave the opportunity to feel superior and to inflict retribution on those who, for whatever reason, have fallen behind. We feel it our hard earned privilege. "It didn’t happen to me, so they MUST have done something to deserve it. Let them struggle in it. That’ll teach them! I’ll just complain about the urine smell and the impact on the resale value of my flip property."

We recycle our plastic water bottles but throw away good people like garbage. The waste is staggering and the damage to our own humanity immense.

This is not an impossible problem to solve. Utah solved it (and saved money) by rehoming the chronic homeless, no strings attached. They decided that rather than treat homelessness as a deserved punishment from which there is no escape or commutation, they would treat it as a temporary economic injury that required stability in order to heal.

If you went out boating one day and came upon a person floating in the water whose boat had sunk, your inclination would probably not be to abandon them to their fate. The decent among us probably could not justify leaving them simply because the loss of their boat was "their own fault" or that they "need to learn a lesson." The decent would still pick them up, even if it ruined a perfectly good day of sailing.

And when inexperienced hikers get lost on the trail, we still send out the rangers and send up the search helicopters.

Because that is what we would hope people would do for us if we found ourselves in similar circumstances.

So the next time you see the homeless, ask yourself why you don’t see someone who is lost at sea or lost on the trail. Ask yourself why you are perfectly fine with abandoning them to face whatever fate should find them in those dark and perilous circumstances.

#7. 05/11/15 06:05 PMReply to this.

Boo265

@LA2000: You make generalizations, so can I… We have a homeless problem because they closed Camarillo State Mental Hospital and changed the laws. Before 1997, if the police found a homeless person, they would be taken to Camarillo. Nobody wanted to go there or stay there, so the homeless problem was minimal! The majority of these homeless people have alcohol or drug problems and choose to live on the streets. There are so many missions that will help them, but they can’t drink alcohol or do drugs. Every time you help a homeless person living on the street, you are enabling their bad behavior!

#8. 05/11/15 06:38 PMReply to this.

Doom_Broom78

To say these people are homeless because their beachfront rentals got turned into Air bnb’s is fucking stretch by any imagination.

#9. 05/11/15 07:39 PMReply to this.

Ghetto Urchin1143

@LA2000: no. bums are on the street due to habitually poor lifestyle decisions. that has nothing to do with being stranded at sea or lost on a hiking trail, which are one-off events.

well over 80% of them are drug/alcohol addicts, with a few mentally defective ones thrown in for good measure. they willingly chose to consume narcotics, why should we subsidize/sympathize/etc. this stupidity?

i say ship ’em to a work camp in the middle of the desert. force them to manufacture goods for the government. in exchange, they get room/board, if they’re good little worker bees give ’em additional benefits.

#10. 05/11/15 07:52 PMReply to this.

AlsoRan1

just load up some buses, give the homeless a couple of hundred in walking around money and ship them down to san diego—-they have a lot more money and housing down there to take care of the homeless—LA needs to get them out of town asap–i’m tired of this.

#11. 05/11/15 08:08 PMReply to this.

neal66

@LA2000:

As other’s have rightly stated, a majority of the homeless have profound mental health issues that hinder their ability to function in society. Some of these mental health issues happen to predispose heavily toward addiction. Your view of the issue is juvenile and overly-simplistic.

This isn’t a case of Dickensian homelessness where all’s needed is a roof and some bread. It’s a failure of our mental health system, combined with the stresses of poverty that led to this.

#12. 05/11/15 10:57 PMReply to this.

LA20004

@Boo @Neal: The idea that homeless individuals, particularly those who suffer from mental health issues, should be treated (or worse, ignored) via a vigorous program of deprivation is actually worse than Neal’s definition of "Dickensian." Your argument seems to be predicated on the notion that those afflicted with mental health issues have deservedly earned the bonus affliction of social pariah, are less human than you, and are a problem best ignored. Your comments are, at best, nothing more than shrug, which is pretty appalling considering that we are talking about the fate of nearly 40,000 (!) of your fellow Los Angeles citizens.

Try reaching higher. Our simplistic cultural addiction to retribution and punishment of the poor and ill is only making matters worse. It turns out that it’s better for everyone, even the taxpayers AND the drug addicts, when you start with housing rather than a fence.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2015/04/17/the-surprisingly-simple-way-utah-solved-chronic-homelessness-and-saved-millions/

#13. 05/12/15 02:11 AMReply to this.

DTLA Star279

@Ghetto Urchin: Concentration camps, huh? True colors, and all that….

#14. 05/12/15 07:48 AMReply to this.

CatholicBloc445

That’s a great photo.

Not gonna bother reading the comments, have a nice day everyone!

#15. 05/12/15 07:59 AMReply to this.

Crabby15

High cost of living, low wages, housing shortage, 44,000 homeless in the county… what happened to the California dream?

#16. 05/12/15 08:31 AMReply to this.

MMVic586

pmw1, where are you???

pmw1??

Finally a post where your homeless babble would be relevant, rather than a piece on skyscrapers or new parks! Please, seize this opportunity to share your expertise!

#17. 05/12/15 08:41 AMReply to this.

WestsideCoastal16

You can trace the start of the problem to the time when our public libraries became homeless daycare centers… How long has it been 20, 30 years? There are so many homeless on the Westside in Santa Monica and Venice – it is impossible to not step over them or have to detour around them… Crazies, drunk bums, meth addicts – they’re everywhere and the limited services just attract them without helping them… This is the canary in the coal mine of our economy, just like in the 1930s…

Truly a sign of our economic times… Los Angeles has the most messed up housing market in the United States… Ask yourself if you’re better off than your parents… If the answer is no, then ask why, what led to this and how do we change? The USA hasn’t seen anything like this since the 1930s… There are so many people living in trailers, tents, etc. It’s not just the homeless either, It’s hard for working families to get ahead. If being in the 2% or the 10% doesn’t make you feel "rich" then something is wrong in this country and this city…

#18. 05/12/15 09:07 AMReply to this.

Buildings R Us1325

There’s a homeless problem because no one has a clue how to create attainable and MEASURABLE goals to deal with homelessness. It certainly isn’t measurable when no one keeps continuous track of how many are actually from LA (or outside transients) and it certainanly isn’t attainable if for every homeless person you help two more don’t want to or can’t (drug addiction, etc.).

#19. 05/12/15 09:25 AMReply to this.

Buildings R Us1325

@WestsideCoastal: "There are so many homeless on the Westside in Santa Monica and Venice…"

It’s called liberal POLITICAL SANCTITY, plain and simple.

#20. 05/12/15 09:29 AMReply to this.

Bubblewatcher127

@Robert Fiore:Bingo! L.A. (specifically Venice beach) is magnet for the country’s homeless, Example given: the poor dude shot to death by cops in front of the Townhouse a couple of weeks ago. He’d arrived here to indulge his alcoholism and party on the beach with his "homies" about a month ago. What he needed was inpatient rehab, like so many of his "travelling" companions on the beach. This is L.A.’s real immigration problem, and providing these individuals, the majority of which arrive here with drug, alcohol and mental health issues and no intention of recovery, with tiny little houses on the beach they can smoke crack in just exacerbates the problem. They need caseworkers and rehab more than they need housing.

#21. 05/12/15 09:48 AMReply to this.

Ray17

The links to the Ellis Act and AirBnB are utterly ridiculous. I hope the author took a nice long shower after writing this to clean off the pander. You may as well have linked in the drought and the rising cost of Italian marble.

Southern California will always have a homeless problem because if you’re going to be homeless, it’s about as good as you can do for year-round living. And it’s a problem that can NEVER be solved by adding housing. The most basic way to demonstrate that is that there is plenty of very affordable housing in San Bernadino and the weather is similar enough. If the problem were just "housing is too expensive! blame AirBnB!" then all the homeless would be living in San Bernadino (or Lancaster, or Lake Elsinore, or your pick).

As noted repeatedly here, the issue is almost ALWAYS with mental health, or drugs/alcohol. If you’re clean and sober, walk into a church or mission or food bank and ask for help. I always wonder about why these peoples’ families and friends don’t help out? I had to caretake for a sibling coming out of rehab for a few months, and while it put a damper on my bachelor lifestyle, it’s called taking care of your FAMILY and it’s what you do as a decent human being (that sibling moved to a cheaper place in the Midwest and is now living a clean, healthy, employed life).

In the end it makes me sad that for each of these people, they were abandoned by everyone who claimed to care for them. Where are the parents? the siblings? the cousins? the high school friends? the teammates?

#22. 05/12/15 11:04 AMReply to this.

MMVic586

@Ray: It’s not always that simple, Ray. Rehab isn’t usually effective on the first take (even if the person actually WANTS to get better), and a lot of addicted people wouldn’t think twice about stealing from their own mothers if it meant continuing their addiction. Are you really asking everyone with an addict relative to keep letting them live at home when it causes so much heartache?

A LOT of these guys have mental illnesses too – so add that in – someone who you may not be able to institutionalize, and who may be hearing voices or threatening you with physical violence. They may also refuse to take their psych meds.

You may have had a sibling who fell on hard times and wanted to get better – but that’s the exception and not the rule.

#23. 05/12/15 11:25 AMReply to this.

Ray17

@MMVic: You make good points and I do recognize that same cases are very difficult. My post was mostly in reaction to LA2000’s comment about how we should blame society for throwing these people away, as opposed to blaming the actual people.

It breaks down as follows:
– Some people actively like being homeless. This cannot be fixed because it is not a problem. You can push gypsys out of your neighborhood, but you can’t legislate them out of existence.
– Most people do not like actively being homeless, and to solve this, we must consider what we can do. LA2000 attempts to set up a dichotomy between doing nothing (letting them fail), or massive socialist change (creating buildings to house them). When phrased as such, it does seem cruel to abandon them.
– However, my point is that there is an intermediate option, which is for people to take care of each other. In the case of my sibling, it was in fact a second stint at rehab, followed by 6 months of living with me. It was a legitimate burden, since the sibling was unemployed, had no car, and so forth, but I adjusted my life, budgeted for two, etc., during a crucial period of support and recovery.

Yes, my case was relatively easy compared to most, but the point is that I was going to do whatever was necessary, and to me kicking the sibling out was an unacceptable option, because at the end of the day, the proximate cause of the homelessness of my sibling would have been ME, and it would have been irresponsible of me to then go and blame capitalism or Reagan or the 1%.

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